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Post  mc on Thu Mar 31 2011, 10:24

Alan, i'm told you are the man to ask. Can you tell me please what engine and gear box could be squeezed into my 100e 1959 without chopping the chassis/bulkhead as I want to do it "legally" and I understand chopping the chassis will cost me 5 points if I have to have it tested. I would like to upgrade the suspension and brakes as well at some point. I guess at the same time as the engine, but I don't want to lose my Reg or tax excemption!

Am I asking too much?

Thanks in advance,

Mike
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Post  Guest on Thu Mar 31 2011, 17:41

toyota yaris is a very small modern engine with enough go to realy transform the driving of the 100e never seen it done but it cant be that hard

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Post  mc on Fri Apr 01 2011, 07:10

Any thought on the gearbox?
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Post  tom fletcher on Fri Apr 01 2011, 18:49

I hate modifying old cars in any way, I think original is original,but the best one to fit with out to much fuss is the escort X flow and box or the pinto engine but I don't think there is many 100e engine mods that don't involve chopping and welding of some sort,I saw one with a focus zetec engine fitted in it front wheel drive and the lot .
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Post  Guest on Fri Apr 01 2011, 18:56

mc wrote:Any thought on the gearbox?

not anything specific yet but i still keep alook out for something suitable i think the only four speed box i have seen that may fit is the vauxhall viva/chevette type of box very small and light.

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Post  mc on Fri Apr 01 2011, 19:09

I'm with Tom really, I just want something that bring the 100e up to regular, reliable daily motorway use and with the sidevalve unit I don't think I have that. The car is so original I really don't want to chop anything, and after reading about all the hassle and testing that needs to be done legally, well thats put me off a bit.

A simple (Simple?!) engine/gear box swap that doesn't involve chopping would be my choice, followed by the brakes. Perhaps the should be the other way round!

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Post  Lotus 300e on Fri Apr 01 2011, 20:08

If I'm right in saying Shy has fitted a Fiat twin-cam engine in a 100e without any bulkhead chopping, i think he has some photos as well.

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Post  tom fletcher on Fri Apr 01 2011, 20:36

The 100e was not made for motor way use the engine design harks back to the 1930s,shopping and going to work were all they were made for,my 100e has the bog standard set up and I have been many miles in it, 55miles an hour on the A roads, plan your route to avoid motorways spanners and bits and bobs in the boot ,{don't forget your AA subs} ,and good oil in the engine and they will go any where and its so pleasurable to just plod along, I've got a v6 shogun if I want to go mad on the motorways, I've looked at the Morris Marina - Ital engine and box before looks like it would fit ,think even the back axle would fit,get a downer car and you would have the brakes and the lot.
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Post  Guest on Fri Apr 01 2011, 21:12

thats true andrew but he did have to mod the tunnel which defeats the object this need to be sorted realy as a option for people but i dont have the time to do it with all the other cars i have but i seriously think it could work as the yaris engine is tiny only eighteen inches from front pullys to rear face and the vauxhall box ifs very small to.

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Post  Lotus 300e on Fri Apr 01 2011, 21:49

Not sure you'll get away without modifying the gearbox tunnel , the gear lever position is all wrong so a new gear lever hole will be required, not to mention the gearbox mount as this will need to be made up. I think Jim (Jan) has said the 105e Anglia gearbox can be made to fit without altering the tunnel, so other gearboxes might fit. Only trouble with most small cars nowadays is they are front wheel drive, so mounting the engine could be a problem, also getting a gearbox to fit to convert it to rear wheel drive will need sourcing.

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Post  Guest on Fri Apr 01 2011, 22:27

all true andrew but any box can be mated to any engine with a adapter plate things like injection are removeable and bike carbs used as a very reliable alternative cheap management for the ingnitions is available in short it needs doing to prove it can be done.

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Post  mc on Sat Apr 02 2011, 07:48

Would making a hole in the floor count as a body mod? I'd take that chance, sounds if there could be an engine and gear box out there somewhere that might fit.

Please keep the ideas coming in,

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Post  Lotus 300e on Sat Apr 02 2011, 19:55

duncan wrote:all true andrew but any box can be mated to any engine with a adapter plate things like injection are removeable and bike carbs used as a very reliable alternative cheap management for the ingnitions is available in short it needs doing to prove it can be done.

I totally agree Duncan, it needs someone who has the resources to try it out. I wonder if any of the magazines like Retro Cars might of featured some similar conversions, might be worth asking, if so there might be an adaptor plate already available.

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Post  Lotus 300e on Sat Apr 02 2011, 20:02

mc wrote:Would making a hole in the floor count as a body mod? I'd take that chance, sounds if there could be an engine and gear box out there somewhere that might fit.

Please keep the ideas coming in,

Mike

A hole, no Mike, its when the tunnel gets partly or wholely removed and altered, then its classed as a mod.

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Post  mc on Sun Apr 03 2011, 07:25

Hi Andrew, do you think I would be right in saying not everyone who has had a chassis mod and a big engine has undergone an IVA test?

Is there anyway the test can be side stepped?
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Post  Lotus 300e on Sun Apr 03 2011, 22:10

mc wrote:Hi Andrew, do you think I would be right in saying not everyone who has had a chassis mod and a big engine has undergone an IVA test?

Is there anyway the test can be side stepped?

Not everyone has gone through a IVA test Mike, when you start putting V8 engines in independent suspension i.e. four bar set ups this goes passed the original design of the car, by rights should be tested, a lot of people have done this and still got there cars on the road without going through it. When you change a part like for like, but from a different model, how many people can tell the difference, one example being the 105e axle, if done right you can't tell.
I'm not saying do the mods and carry on as normal because this is up to the individual, look at the amount of cars not just 100e range that are modified, how many of these have been through the test because the owner has decided to get it done. I think things will be different when you take a car in for an MoT and the guy says this is not standard, can i see your IVA or SVA test certificate for the modifications carried out. How many people have swapped an engine over for a larger capacity one, a modification that looks no different, but has to be notified on your logbook to be legal, changing a steering rack for a quick rack is a modification, same as fitting anti tramp bar, an improvement yes, but also a modification.
Take a look at some of the other forums and see what they have to say about it, even speak to some of the garages that carry out some of the work for there guidance.

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Post  mc on Mon Apr 04 2011, 12:09

Thanks for the reply Andrew. What you say is kind of what I thought most people have done. I certainly don't want to risk my tax exemption or Reg but would like a more modern engine and suspension setup. I'll have a long think about it. Certainly conservative upgrades are certainly possible without risking anything,

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Post  Lotus 300e on Mon Apr 04 2011, 20:07

Your welcome Mike thumb up

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